How do a person's political views relate to self sufficiency?

[bibliophile birds]

Scott, I'm not "dodging the question." If you want to start a thread on global warming, climate change or natural weather patterns, feel free. I will pop on over and make my comments.

way to be a good moderator! it's hard to be level headed and not take things personally, but you are doing a good job.

(i'm pretty sure my complete failure at staying neutral was the reason one of my BYH threads got closed... but it brought me to SS, for which i am glad.)

 

[bibliophile birds]

i don't want to take this thread further off topic, but i wanted to share this so people could check it out if they were interested. it's a session of the radio program Coast to Coast which i caught on a late-night drive recently. it talks about the relationship between climate change (be it natural or man-made) and social upheaval. it was interesting even if i don't agree (or understand) 100%.

please don't respond in this thread about this. i just wanted to share the info, not discuss it in this thread. you can PM me if you want, but let's not hijack a thread.

the link

 

[me&thegals]

Scott, I'm not "dodging the question." If you want to start a thread on global warming, climate change or natural weather patterns, feel free. I will pop on over and make my comments.

way to be a good moderator! it's hard to be level headed and not take things personally, but you are doing a good job.

(i'm pretty sure my complete failure at staying neutral was the reason one of my BYH threads got closed... but it brought me to SS, for which i am glad.)

Aw shucks, thanks. Believe ME--I LOVE to talk about the environment and climate. It's something my DH and I have debated ad nauseum. But, since I started this thread I better stick to the topic at hand, so I've tried to limit my comments on environment and politics to only as they relate to SS. The origins of climate change are not the topic.


Scott, I would like to ask you to respond to the original question of the thread, though. We've talked about all sorts of policital topics, but do you still believe that a certain political view prohibits a person from personally living a more self-sufficient life?

 

[dacjohns]

Curmudgeon interjecting here.



Enough of climate change in any of its names. Lets get back to self sufficiency.


Thank you,

dacs

 

[ScottSD]

Scott, I would like to ask you to respond to the original question of the thread, though. We've talked about all sorts of policital topics, but do you still believe that a certain political view prohibits a person from personally living a more self-sufficient life?

So..you want me to answer your question when you refuse to answer mine?

Well, I could do that, but why would I when you use accusing words to describe something (which I did not say):

"do you still believe that a certain political view prohibits a person.... "

....it's kind of difficult to answer such an insinuation...when I never used the word "prohibit" whatsoever.

Nor did anything I stated imply it.

And, with the word "still" are you implying that somehow the discussions in this thread have changed people's mind about this subject?

 

[me&thegals]

Scott, I would like to ask you to respond to the original question of the thread, though. We've talked about all sorts of policital topics, but do you still believe that a certain political view prohibits a person from personally living a more self-sufficient life?

So..you want me to answer your question when you refuse to answer mine?

Hey, thems the perks of starting a thread. You get to ask the first question If you have others unrelated to this thread, you should feel free to start another thread to ask them.

Well, I could do that, but why would I when you use accusing words to describe something (which I did not say):

"do you still believe that a certain political view prohibits a person.... "

....it's kind of difficult to answer such an insinuation...when I never used the word "prohibit" whatsoever.

Nor did anything I stated imply it.

From another thread:

I also think it is interesting that anyone that wants to be SELF sufficient can also be a "progressive" as progressives typically want social programs that provide for you by sharing the wealth....rather than you providing for yourself (aka self sufficient).

You know who said "From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs. ", don't you?

So, what are you saying, then? Why nitpick over the word "prohibit" when you have been arguing through this entire thread about self sufficiency and politics.

And, with the word "still" are you implying that somehow the discussions in this thread have changed people's mind about this subject?

Can't speak for anybody else on that. Just asking you if it changed your mind since you were the most recent person to comment on how "interesting" it is that progressive people would also want to be self sufficient.


If you just want to argue for the sake of arguing, I'm not interested in doing that today.

I was weary of hearing people say that self sufficiency and any political view other than conservatism were incompatible. I thought this could be a good place to have a thoughtful conversation on that.

I personally have been very informed by other people's posts throughout the thread, especially on my need to read up on history Just asking you if you still felt the same way.

 

[dacjohns]

I think we are approaching lock down. Please stop the arguing and get back on the original topic.

 

[ScottSD]

You are asking me if I still:

"feel that it is interesting that anyone that wants to be SELF sufficient can also be a "progressive" as progressives typically want social programs that provide for you by sharing the wealth....rather than you providing for yourself (aka self sufficient)." ?

Yes, I do feel the same way.

I guess in your world what I said equates to "prohibit"?

I don't understand where you got "prohibit" out of it.

"Interesting" yes, but "prohibit"?

Nope...... none of which has been said in this thread changed my thought about how interesting it is in the least.

I still think it is interesting that the same people that want all kinds of social programs in which the government provides for you...----AND takes away from those that are more wealthy to do it----also consider themselves SELF sufficient.

It's very simple, really.

These social programs pander to a collective of people....not individuals (self). These programs squelch self reliance and innovation because people become dependent on the government....just like a child. If you provide everything for them, they won't learn to figure things out and live on their own.

It's also interesting that you very quickly had your last post out....like you were waiting for me to respond....

Tell, me who wants to argue for the sake of arguing?

I have enjoyed the topic very much. Thank you for starting this thread.

Just glad we can agree to disagree

 

[patandchickens]

Scott, I believe your basic premise is mistaken. You wrote:

the same people that want all kinds of social programs in which the government provides for you...----AND takes away from those that are more wealthy to do it----also consider themselves SELF sufficient.

I don't think anyone said they want "all kinds of social programs in which the government provides for" them?

What many of us are in favor of is programs (not 'all kinds of', but 'some') in which the government provides for OTHER PEOPLE who are in need.

I cannot recall a single instance of someone on this forum saying they want <whatever gov't program> for their OWN benefit. Actually the people advocating these sorts of politics are generally those who report themselves to be doing ok and *not* needing gov't help themselves.

If you are actually trying to understand this issue, then I think you will find that THERE lies the resolution to your apparent paradox.


Pat

 

[hikerchick]

I don't think there is anything inherently illogical about saying that you want to provide for yourself but you also want to assure that those who cannot provide for themselves are taken care of.

It's called being compassionate, which is not incompatible with self-sufficiency.