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What book did we decide on? My old timers is kicking in 
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Beekissed
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Barred, I think we sort of decided on topics and then scriptures from throughout the Bible to use as a reference to those topics.
Does anyone know the scripture pertaining to knowing someone by the fruits they produce?
Does anyone know the scripture pertaining to knowing someone by the fruits they produce?
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Thanks I got lost!Beekissed said:
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Bee:
Galatians 5:22-24 (if that is what you mean)
Galatians 5:22-24 (if that is what you mean)
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That lists the fruits of the Spirit.Damummis said:
Try Matthew 7:15-20. It talks about false teachers, and knowing them by their fruit. V 20 says, Wherefore, by their fruits ye shall know them.
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Yep, that's the one, Deb! 
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I have wondered about the church judgement part.
Our church has few members, but WAY more than it's share of "stuff" happening in their lives. Way more. I can't say as I see overt sin though. They all seem pretty serious. If anything, what is bad is that the pastor, who is very elderly, had a stroke I think last year and is having a hard time recovering, and has had another lengthy hospital stay since. His sermons sometimes last only a few minutes, and they are always "Jesus is coming, get ready" -- which isn't a bad theme but I don't really learn anything there and seldom get inspired. I do love the pastor and his wife dearly though.
The worship is just not my style, which that's MY problem, but they don't ever have time to practice or plan either. And lately it's been hard with my boss being the leader and that situation. There's been times I FELT God in the worship though -- at least He is not looking for technical musical perfection.
The Bible study has been good at times. The last 2 times I went tho, the teacher (nor anyone else) showed up. It was a medical emergency at first, but I dunno what happened last night.
As I sat at the empty church last night, I noticed the steeple has broken off and fallen.
But I KNOW KNOW KNOW that God wanted me in that church. I just never have known for sure why.
I've been having a feeling for a while that judgment might be involved there. But maybe I'm just being like Job's buddies and assuming that. Like I said, I don't see overt sin. Then again, I've had more than my own share of issues, especially with my animals getting sick, dying, getting killed -- ah, and I guess other stuff too. So part of me is a little afraid and wanting to leave for that reason too.
Our church has few members, but WAY more than it's share of "stuff" happening in their lives. Way more. I can't say as I see overt sin though. They all seem pretty serious. If anything, what is bad is that the pastor, who is very elderly, had a stroke I think last year and is having a hard time recovering, and has had another lengthy hospital stay since. His sermons sometimes last only a few minutes, and they are always "Jesus is coming, get ready" -- which isn't a bad theme but I don't really learn anything there and seldom get inspired. I do love the pastor and his wife dearly though.
The worship is just not my style, which that's MY problem, but they don't ever have time to practice or plan either. And lately it's been hard with my boss being the leader and that situation. There's been times I FELT God in the worship though -- at least He is not looking for technical musical perfection.
The Bible study has been good at times. The last 2 times I went tho, the teacher (nor anyone else) showed up. It was a medical emergency at first, but I dunno what happened last night.
As I sat at the empty church last night, I noticed the steeple has broken off and fallen.
But I KNOW KNOW KNOW that God wanted me in that church. I just never have known for sure why.
I've been having a feeling for a while that judgment might be involved there. But maybe I'm just being like Job's buddies and assuming that. Like I said, I don't see overt sin. Then again, I've had more than my own share of issues, especially with my animals getting sick, dying, getting killed -- ah, and I guess other stuff too. So part of me is a little afraid and wanting to leave for that reason too.
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Shiloh it sounds to me like the church needs YOUR help and leadership and guidance. You could be the force for positive change. Maybe God is showing you this because HE knows you know how much better this could be and has chosen you for the task of getting the ball rolling for some changes. It sounds like your dear Pastor needs to retire soon, is there a young person who can begin training to replace him? I think it is nicer when older people can transition out of work slowly and have time to mentor someone. If your pastors health is this frail, it is probably time to face he needs a younger helper to guide everyone with a fresh purpose and enthusiasm of the young. I don't know any of these people of course but after reading your story that is what comes to my mind.
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Shiloh, your church sounded so sad with the steeple broken and all..... 
I know what you mean by no overt sinning like fornication, etc. going on....in my church is seems to be just apathy. Old people set in their ways and not wanting to try or do anything much, a slightly younger set that are very materialistic and judgemental of poor people, other races, single mothers, etc.
I think they all feel very safe and self-satisfied and are not going to go much further unless something drastic happens in that church...does that sound like yours?
I know what you mean by no overt sinning like fornication, etc. going on....in my church is seems to be just apathy. Old people set in their ways and not wanting to try or do anything much, a slightly younger set that are very materialistic and judgemental of poor people, other races, single mothers, etc.
I think they all feel very safe and self-satisfied and are not going to go much further unless something drastic happens in that church...does that sound like yours?
