Wind or Solar?

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Neither are really pragmatic or cheap enough to put a dent in your utility bill, the initial costs are high and payback even longer. $20,000 in a interest bearing account will pay a good portion of your monthly bill for the rest of your life on just the earned interest alone. plus you still have the original $20k in the bank, which is also the average cost of a wind or solar voltaic system of any usable size.

Rooftop wind systems have come a long way but are still raveled with the problem of turbulence common to all turbines that are not 200 feet from any structure or trees and less than 80 feet from the ground, which by the way is the height most wind data comes from. Most wind generators rated outputs are for a constant wind speed of 26 mph, a speed that only happens in the USA 1% of the time, average is actually about 11mph and is barely enough to get a turbine to spin with a minimum of power output.

By far passive solar outweighs the other two but you have to have a use for that, changing you house to hydronic floor heat is one of them but is still a $10,000 cost, hot water heating is also an option but at $5000 to save $30 or so a month it is still a 13 year payback and by then the whole system will need replacing.

If you search you will find that residential wind that actually produces any substantial power to be almost non-existent. Photo Voltaic is a lot more wide spread because it is heavily subsidized and depending on your state it can work out to be a good deal, a $20,000 system with the federal credit, state rebate, and power company incentives can end up costing you only $10k in the end and may pay for itself in less than 10 years then pay you every month - that is unless your $5,000 inverter burns up a day out of warranty. You still need all the money up front and earn enough income to have a tax liability to deduct the 30% credit.
 

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If you are lived in Florida you can good utilize the winds for producing the energy.
 

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Always solar is the best option. Wind energy requires high wind.............
 

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Wind and solar is about location. From what geographical location you live in and right down to the nitty gritty of the 20 square feet you actually want to place the equipment in.

Get yourself a calendar and EVERY day write down the weather conditions in the exact spot you wish to place your system. Rain, clouds, sun, wind/wind speed, temp. and how many hours per day of each. Do this for a full year and you will know what might work for you in your location and what you could reasonable expect to get in KW hours per day and per year. Meanwhile start saving up to pay for your project if the environmental study pans out. (might want to do this in a few spots on your property)

I live in Ontario Canada and I have both wind and solar. Here, you cannot have one or the other if you wish to live off grid. There are sunny days and there are windy days and there are days where both are in abundance and days where its a total bust. If you are net metering or selling back to the grid, it is cheaper because you don't have the cost of batteries but you also don't have protection from brown outs.

It is NOT cost effective. It IS a lifestyle choice that will not pay for itself till you are old with one foot in the grave. If everything is working great its lovely. One must pay attention to power usage and plan big power draws for good days. You do not run an electric clothes dryer off grid. You need a gas/propane stove. I still have hydro hooked up but I don't need to use it very often other then to dry clothes in the winter or when there is no sun or wind to keep my batteries charged up to water the stock. I could still run on batteries but would have to use my propane backup generator to recharge them and hydro is cheaper. Once we have all the glitches out of the system, we hope to lose hydro entirely since 1/2 the hydro bill is for line charges and taxes and that 90 bucks a month could pay all of our propane needs for a year.
 

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Cost effective is determined by the cost of power in your area and the size of the array on your roof. Our system paid for itself within five years - but our electric rates are over forty cents per kilowatt hour and we put a fairly small system on the roof. After the first part was paid for, we used the savings to double the size of the system. We could still use a few more solar panels, but it provides about 90% of the power we need at this size and we don't use the backup generator much at all anymore. Several more panels for winter time would pretty much cover all our electrical use and we only have eight 150 - 175 watt panels now.

To get off the electric grid you first need to do everything possible to use less power in the first place. Insulation as necessary or huge eaves to provide shade in hot climates. Natural ventilation, landscaping to cool the place off, curly bulbs instead of incandescent, solar hot water instead of *gasp* electric. Natural gas might be an answer in your area, we don't have it here in the islands. The new appliances aren't too bad for power use, so you'll need a newish refrigerator. Anything that makes heat by electric resistance needs to be scrutinized before use. An electric blanket doesn't use much power but an electric skillet does. A/C uses heaps of power as well as electric heating. Putting all electronics on a power strip which can be completely shut off helps, too.

As for the choice between wind and solar, it all depends on your location, but some of each might be an answer. There are small wind turbines which can be used along with a photovoltaic solar panels so if the wind isn't blowing but the sun is shining, you have some power coming into the system. If it's windy at night, you still have some power coming into the system.
 

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We went with solar panels and microinverters and the ROI calculations were that it would break even within 7 years, given the prices of electricity around here and our level of usage. For us, it works because we *don't* do air conditioning, so our highest generation is in summer and we're selling back to the company at peak rates, while our highest usage is in winter when we're buying from the company at lowest rates.

So, it all depends on your area. Remember there are also tax rebates that you can apply for.

Your best bet is to get multiple bids and insist on ROI calculations from them so you know what to expect.
 

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Tony said:
Florida has relatively light winds, so large commercial wind farms are not currently viable..so go for Solar
I saw that this is your first post, Tony, so welcome! :frow

Take a moment and introduce yourself over at the 'where am I' thread on the forum index, k?
 
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