Bloodbath: Drawing blood on the goaties, video links p 3

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Well, we did it! It was a family project, and we got 'er done.

I ordered a kit from www.biotracking.com and received 11 vacuum tubes, a special sleeve for the two-sided needles, and 11 special 18 gauge double-pointy needles for drawing blood.

I studied the pictures in the section on biotracking's website on how to draw blood from a goat, with a nine-year-old girl doing the needle-sticking. I'm a few decades older and wiser, so it should be a piece of cake, right?

Um....I guess I forgot that the last time I went to Staples to make a bunch of copies, I was mystified by the newer, complicated, computerized copiers in the DIY section. I spotted someone I thought could show me how to use the machines. I called him over. He got my copies going within seconds by quickly pressing a few buttons on the keypad. I thanked his mom. He was nine years old.

We went to the barn armed to the teeth with our blood-draw kit, mint candy treats, a heavy leadrope and collar, my clippers with the #40 blade all lubricated up and ready to go and an extension cord, hoof-trimming tools (might as well get that done, too, while goats are restrained), Dad to restrain the goats, and Peter with the camera to film the humiliation to put on youtube at Merle's request so he can get a visual on how NOT to do a blood-draw from a goat.

Let's start with Te'a, I suggest, since she is the smallest and weakest. I didn't breed her for just that reason, but I do want to know if she has CAE, so she needed to get stuck with a needle, too. I set up shop in the spare stall, then we brought the poor, unsuspecting Princess Chunk in and Dad straddled her as I backed her into a corner. She was starting to get suspicious at this point that she was not in the stall for a three course meal all to herself.

I clipped a couple of acres of her neck, and Dad cranked her head up. I thought about the pictures I'd memorized, but more about all those years of watching the veterinarians draw blood from the horses I worked with. It looked so easy. And as a massage therapist, my palpation skills are excellent. Piece of cake. Find the trachea, then the brachiocephalicus, and right in between will be the jugular vein. Easy-peasy.

Wiggly-squiggly-thrashy-screamy! One-point-five cc's of blood later....that is, in the vacuum tube, there seemed to be several gallons on the goat, on my hands, on my pants, on my coat, on Dad's pants, on Dad's coat, on the bedding....And we needed 2-3 cc's for a proper sample.

An 18 gauge needle is a big needle. The vacuum tube gives you only one chance, then the vacuum is broken. I decided to switch to a tool I was familiar with, and ran up to the garage to get my stash of horse first aid supplies, which included a supply of 3 cc syringes and 20 and 22 gauge needles.

I've given hundreds of injections to horses over the years, and a few to other animals, so this should be easy....just reverse the plunger. Poor Te'a. We got her back into the corner with Dad acting as a stanchion and holding her head up, and I poked her yet again with another needle. She shrieked before I even touched her...reminded me of the spankings my mother tried to give me when I was little. I never could get the screams timed correctly. She somehow knew I was exaggerating.

I knew Te'a was exaggerating, but I still felt a little guilty for tormenting the poor thing because of my own incompetance. The smaller, more familiar needle worked just right, and I got 3 cc's of blood in a jiffy. I transferred it to a fresh vacuum tube and put her number on it for the lab. She got some mints and a pedicure and was released, shaking and stinkin' mad. Oh, well, I expect she will forgive me tonight when she gets her dinner, a handful of veggie scraps and a flake of dark green alfalfa hay. And another candy, to assuage my guilt.

Pics and youtube link to follow once my voice-activated computer gets home from work....IF they came out ok. Rest of the story later. Three more goats to go.
 

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:th Oh the horror! :lol: I hope it went better with the others.......I feel for you, more than the goats! LOL
 

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You said it was gonna be easy! I am SO glad I'm not the only one who has these issues!

Four of the does I got over year ago, I figure had been abused - not to mention neglected health-wise, very very wormy, stunted growth, etc. After working with them so much I can FINALLY go in and pet their backs and stand next to them; but anything past that and they think I'm killing them.

I've had people time and time again tell me how easy it is to tame goats - they haven't met these four. The goats we have that are tame are hard enough to do something like that with, which is why I am terrified of trying to draw blood from these four wild women.
 

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Drawing blood is still something I'm not ready to do yet. I got the vet out to draw the blood for the CAE, etc testing.

At least you did it and got it done. Maybe someday I will be brave enough to try it. I keep hearing the blood will eventually stop, I just don't want it to stop when there is no blood left. :p
 

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Pulling blood is a whole 'nother animal than giving a shot. You are a brave soul. Me I would call my D1 and make her do it. There IS a reason to have a vet tech in the family! ;)
 

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If I had a vet tech in the family, I'd never touch a needle again! It's not bravery, it's called being cheap. Or thrifty. I prefer frugal...sounds more noble.

It cost me about $45 to test all four goats, including postage. If I got the vet out here, I am willing to bet it would cost me $450, probably more. I don't want to dry Mya off without knowing she is preggers. If she is not, I will try to milk her through. But I think she is, if you remember my story about the Goat Porn. :p

Well, I did my quota of nasty paperwork for today so now I will continue my story:

After Te'a, we decided Ginger would be next. She is the biggest goat, the youngest, and the sweetest. We needed practice before the last two....Willow, who is the other Princess Chunk, and was semi-feral when I got her. She reverts at the slightest provocation, and this was gonna be more than a slight provocation. This was gonna be all out war.

Mya....Alpha Doe, with horns, and knows how to use them. She and I battle almost daily for the alpha position. She would be last, when I had my technique down and was quick on the draw. Literally.

So, Ginger Peach, my little Peach Pit, my sweet little Peach Pie, apple of my eye. I loooooove that big little goatie-girl. She is the one that tries on occasion to sit in my lap like she did as a baby. She folds her knees on me, getting her front end snuggled in all nice and cozy. Then she tries to figure out what to do with her big part-Boer butt, sticking up in the air. She always ends up tipping over in the process, even rolling onto her back with all four feet in the air. She just gets up, shakes the dust off, and tries again, while I laugh like a fool and give her a big smooch.

Forgive me, Ginny-Gin. You're going to feel a little pressure.

I couldn't find her jugular vein! I clipped, clipped some more, poked and prodded, palpated, moved her head around, removed her collar, felt higher up on her neck, felt lower down, then gave up and started poking. I couldn't even pierce her skin with that big ol' 18 gauge needle! Finally, I pushed it in, and got a tiny drop of blood. She and I had both had it, and we both needed a break. We let her go and opened the door. She glanced outside, then came back in for more attention from us. What a big goof she is. I booted her out (gently) and went to get Willow.

Went to DRAG Willow, that is. Put a collar and leadrope on that doe and she drops to her knees and digs in her hind hoofies. I dragged her out of the buck's house, through the gate, across the yard, though the doe's gate, and into the stall. She knew whatever was in store for her was not something she wanted any part of.

I gave her some candy and she was in.

This time I was getting smarter. I clipped her neck and used a syringe with a teensy tiny needle. Sucked that 3 cc's of blood out in mere seconds. Rubbed the tiny droplet of blood off her neck and gave her more candy. Transferred the sample to the vacuum tube, wrote her number on it, and put it in the box. Gave her more candy. Grabbed my hoof shears and trimmed her feet, gave her more candy, and dragged her back to the buck's house. She is with him to keep him warm at night during the winter, since she was the last one bred and can stand up to his shenanigans.

She wouldn't come out of the house for dinner tonight, we had to give her dinner in bed. Princess Chunk!

So, who is next, Ginger or Mya? I had to get Ginger figured out before tackling my nemesis, Mya. My good experience with Willow made me more confident, and I would start with the little 22 gauge needle.

Turns out that anatomy is variable, something that I should know well by now after giving hundreds, no thousands, of massage therapy sessions. Ginger's jugular vein was smaller proportionately than either of the smaller Pygmy-cross does, and her healthy skin and vascular walls were TOUGH. I had to press hard on that needle to pierce her skin first, then the wall of the jugular vein. I could clearly feel each layer of tissue give way to the needle. I filled the syringe very quickly this time, and there was barely a smidge of blood on Ginger's neck. We offered her a candy, which she spit out twice. I realized that she has only eaten healthy foods in her short, young life, and didn't know what to do with a mint. She got her pedicure and lots of hugs and smooches and was escorted out the door....she didn't want to leave. No trauma, in spite of my fumbling ineptness.

Now Mya. Sheesh. I had an entire roll of paper towels with me, so I should be able to sop up the blood. I just didn't know whose blood I'd be sopping....mine or Dad's?

We brought Mya into the stall, and Dad straddled her and held her chin up high. I clipped and pulled blood almost in one smooth move. She never even flicked an ear. I grabbed my hoof-trimming shears and snipped away, and we fed her some candy and let her go. Totally anti-climactic, just the way I like it. She held no grudges against me when I went to milk later, and was in a fine and generous mood.

Later, Peter told me that she was making goo-goo eyes at him over the stall wall while he was getting ready to film Te'a and Ginger. That girl is head-over-heels in love with Peter, and will give an extra pint of milk if she even hears his voice in the distance.

Unfortunately, there were some technical difficulties with the camera and then Peter had to rush off to work, so we only got footage of the Troubles and Trials of Te'a, and nothing of the ones that went smooth as silk. Figures. Isn't that how it goes with animals?
 

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You already have enough people to take care of! :lol:

Plus I'd have to bring at least six goats with. Oh, and my mom too! ;)
 

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Shheesh! All of that worry and Mya went easiest of all! Great job. I am SO proud of you girl! :thumbsup

When you started talking about Mya she quickly reminded me of our POA Kelly. For years she would begin getting violent as soon as she saw a vet truck or suspected a needle! She was abused before we got her by people that thought the way you did a vet treatment was by throwing the animal, hog tie them and sit on their head! I guess she is mellowing with age as well because the last few times they pulled blood for her coggins she stood like a stone and pretended they did not exist ... she would not even LOOK at the vet! :lol: Here is to kind treatment and continued hope. :clap
 
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