I watched the documentary "Fat Head" ....

They ferment it. They don't use the soy oil and flour in everything like we do here.
 
reinbeau said:
Bad stuff, particularly the way we handle them here in the west. I have read the Japanese and Chinese handle their soy differently, that's why they're so healthy on it.
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When you say handle them differently, do you mean the way the soy is handled and prepared, or the way their bodies handle it?

This is all new to me. I though soy was good for you and now I am hearing that it may not be. I honestly don't know what is good and bad about soy; but I drink soymilk so I am concerned. I just don't like milk. What would be a good alternative?
 
Wifezilla said:
They ferment it. They don't use the soy oil and flour in everything like we do here.
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so does that mean something like tempeh is better? I like tempeh.
 
hikerchick said:
Wifezilla said:
They ferment it. They don't use the soy oil and flour in everything like we do here.
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so does that mean something like tempeh is better? I like tempeh.
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Tempeh is better, I like it too, and I'll eat it, provided I know it's good quality stuff - I trust my local health food store, they get it from people who use the traditional methods to prepare it.

There is so much misinformation out there about soy, and, of course, it's a huge agricultural commodity crop here in the USA, so the USDA is always facilitating studies showing the benefits....big ag once again operating to maximize profits instead of maximizing good health.

ETA oh yea, miso is good stuff, again, provided they start out with non GMO soybeans. And you guys just reminded me, I need to order some from South River Miso, I've heard it's great stuff!

Thanx for the link, Wifey! :)
 
hikerchick said:
This is all new to me. I though soy was good for you and now I am hearing that it may not be. I honestly don't know what is good and bad about soy; but I drink soymilk so I am concerned. I just don't like milk. What would be a good alternative?
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If you look here: http://www.ahrq.gov/clinic/tp/soytp.htm#Report

you can download the report at the bottom of the page, but in 2005, the National Institutes of Health does a retroactive review of it's previous endorsement of "soy is good... soy is a wonder food" and thereby basically admits that it had previously rubber stamped soy without requiring the necessary studies. Score one for Big Agri.

Here's the Conclusion of their actual study which came years after their "yay soy" publicity:

"Conclusions: Soy products appear to exert a small benefit on LDL and triglycerides; these effects may be of small clinical effect in individuals, although possibly large enough to have a population-wide effect. The inconsistent association between soy protein dose and effect, and the lack of association between soy isoflavone dose and effect, limit possible determination of an appropriate amount of soy product needed for lipid reduction. Soy products may reduce menopausal symptoms in post-menopausal women. The current literature does not support other effects of soy products. However, other than menopausal- and menstrual-related symptoms, no clinical outcomes were evaluated. The evidence from human studies does not suggest any worrisome adverse events beyond mild gastrointestinal intolerance. Conclusions were often limited due to small numbers of studies or heterogeneity across studies.

"Given the large amount of heterogeneity and inadequate reporting, particularly related to soy protein and isoflavone dose, many questions remain as to whether specific soy products in adequate doses may be of benefit in specific populations. Further, well-conducted studies are needed to clarify the effect of soy dose on lipid parameters and to determine whether soy components other than protein or isoflavones may be responsible for the lipid effects seen."

It's just not an overwhelmingly positive conclusion that justifies all of the publicity that soy has received over the years. I used to drink soy milk. Then I switched to organic hemp milk thinking that might be a good alternative, but the lipid profile for hemp is just too close to that of soy for my personal comfort. Neither my children nor myself can tolerate pasteurized dairy and I used to hate milk. In fact, my children wear Medic Alert bracelets that state that they're allergic to dairy, but we love raw milk and have a fridge full of it.

Here's some information about soy from the Weston A. Price Foundation http://www.westonaprice.org/Soy-Alert/ but I just did a quick Medline search and there's lots more out there.
 
abifae said:
i'll try taste of the wild and see how she does on it. the vet gave me a "allergy friendly" one but it's full of soy.
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oh the things i could tell you about "vet recommended" cat foods. i shudder. long, long story short, my cat Ollie has a slew of health problems that nearly killed him several times and basically made him miserable for years. i was feeding him really good quality food at the time that had no by-products and grains weren't the main ingredients. i thought i was doing such a good job.

not a single vet (out of the dozen i took him to over the years) told me that chronic urinary infections in cats and aggravated asthma could be caused by grains. instead they wanted to shoot him full of steroids, give him antibiotics all the time, and put him on prescription food (for the rest of his life) that had almost no magnesium (which is what reacts with the grain sugars to cause the urinary crystals which cause the infections and blockages). magnesium is essential for brain function. plus the dreaded Science Diet has terrible ingredients: chicken meals and by-products and all kinds of crap.

a friend finally discovered an article that linked grain sugars to urinary problems in cats. we found Taste of the Wild and never looked back. he's been UTI free for 3 years and his asthma is almost completely controlled. i also give him Pet Naturals of Vermont's Urinary Tract Support, which has cranberry and marshmallow root, once a week.
 
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