Mutually Exclusive Concepts (Ranty Questions)

[Big Daddy]

According to what I have been reading, we are all in for it anyway, we're raising a whole lot of little narcisists now with our "praise our kids to roof and never let them down" parenting practises so prison should be overloaded in a few years, none of our kids have really learned to care about anyone but themselves, so donating anything in the future will be like pulling teeth

I do believe that every generation says that about the following generation.

 

[Big Daddy]

Government has a very specific and limit role in a successfully run country. What we have now bears very little resemblance to what that role was supposed to be.

Now I'm confused. Last time I checked the Government who represents we the people runs the country. I think they call it a representative Democracy. We elect representatives and they do what they deem best. The theory is that we elected them because we trust their judgment. When they perform poorly the people that voted for them feel stupid. The people that didn't vote for them get to say "I didn't vote for the jerk". If the government doesn't run the country than who does?

 

[k0xxx]

Government has a very specific and limit role in a successfully run country. What we have now bears very little resemblance to what that role was supposed to be.

Now I'm confused. Last time I checked the Government who represents we the people runs the country. I think they call it a representative Democracy. We elect representatives and they do what they deem best. The theory is that we elected them because we trust their judgment. When they perform poorly the people that voted for them feel stupid. The people that didn't vote for them get to say "I didn't vote for the jerk". If the government doesn't run the country than who does?

Now I am the one that is confused. I was taught that we live in Republic, not a Democracy. That we elect representatives to do what we deem best as a society. Not to do what they think is best. We do not vote for them so that they can represent themselves, but to represent the voters. That is why it infuriates me so when politicians understand that a majority of their district, state, or represented area feel one way, and they vote another. As long as it doesn't violate the constitution, they should follow the wishes of those that they represent.

 

[reinbeau]

According to what I have been reading, we are all in for it anyway, we're raising a whole lot of little narcisists now with our "praise our kids to roof and never let them down" parenting practises so prison should be overloaded in a few years, none of our kids have really learned to care about anyone but themselves, so donating anything in the future will be like pulling teeth

I do believe that every generation says that about the following generation.

There has never been a generation until now that were raised with the thought that there were no failures in life. Learning how to deal with failure doesn't happen now, because it might hurt their self esteem. MorelCabin is right, I don't know about prisons being full, but there are going to be a whole bunch of 'adults' who can't deal with real life as a result of the self esteem movement.

 

[Big Daddy]

According to what I have been reading, we are all in for it anyway, we're raising a whole lot of little narcisists now with our "praise our kids to roof and never let them down" parenting practises so prison should be overloaded in a few years, none of our kids have really learned to care about anyone but themselves, so donating anything in the future will be like pulling teeth

I do believe that every generation says that about the following generation.

There has never been a generation until now that were raised with the thought that there were no failures in life. Learning how to deal with failure doesn't happen now, because it might hurt their self esteem. MorelCabin is right, I don't know about prisons being full, but there are going to be a whole bunch of 'adults' who can't deal with real life as a result of the self esteem movement.

Well I for one am sure glad my children aren't being raised that way. I have a few relatives and freiends that don't have kids raised that way either. So I know that at least a few kids in this big world will be able to deal with failure. Where do you guys get your brushes at. I could paint my whole house with one stroke if I had a brush like yours.

Maybe you are hanging with the wrong crowd. It sounds Capitalistic to me.

 

[reinbeau]

Well I for one am sure glad my children aren't being raised that way. I have a few relatives and freiends that don't have kids raised that way either. So I know that at least a few kids in this big world will be able to deal with failure. Where do you guys get your brushes at. I could paint my whole house with one stroke if I had a brush like yours.

Maybe you are hanging with the wrong crowd. It sounds Capitalistic to me.

The irony is so ripe I just have to note that's a pretty broad brush you're wielding with that last statement. As for a few of your relatives and friends, thank you for proving the rest are raised exactly as was noted by both MorelCabin and me.

 

[Big Daddy]

Well I for one am sure glad my children aren't being raised that way. I have a few relatives and freiends that don't have kids raised that way either. So I know that at least a few kids in this big world will be able to deal with failure. Where do you guys get your brushes at. I could paint my whole house with one stroke if I had a brush like yours.

Maybe you are hanging with the wrong crowd. It sounds Capitalistic to me.

The irony is so ripe I just have to note that's a pretty broad brush you're wielding with that last statement. As for a few of your relatives and friends, thank you for proving the rest are raised exactly as was noted by both MorelCabin and me.

I only have a few friends with kids. Yes I can make unreasonable statements too and classify a whole group of people in one fell swoop. You'll find that most of the kids like you are talking about belong to what used to be called Yuppies.They tend to be in the upper middle class and above. They are not used to failure because their parents pave all the roads they travel with gold. You won't find these kids on welfare or collecting any handouts unless they are gay and their parents threw them out or they are druggies. These kids are what my daughter refers to as trust fund babies She goes to school with quite a few of them at CU Boulder. While she works 2 jobs and an internship and has to take out student loans these kids sail through. A donation to the school assures they stay out of trouble. Sounds a little like Bush Jr huh.

No, I don't know anybody with kids like you describe. I'm just a middle class kind of guy. I don't rub elbows with wealthy people.

 

[reinbeau]

I don't rub elbows with wealthy people, either, I teach them how to move. The whole New England area is filled with yuppies, then, because that's exactly how the schools are run around here, no failures. For the record I live in a very blue collar town, in the same home I purchased in 1978. No McMansions here, no yuppies, typical children. I wasn't talking about children I have no experience with - I am not near nor do I ever intend to live in an inner city situation, city life is not for me. You obviously have far more experience with welfare children, children of drug addicts, etc. You do, right?

 

[Big Daddy]

The inner city kids I've been exposed to are used to living with nothing. If somebody gives them a used toy they are ecstatic. Of course I've mostly been exposed to those at Social Services. Their mothers are usually on welfare. There is very little to go around and they share their beds with cockroaches. Yes their mothers are usually drug addicts and sell their bodies on the street for drugs. If it wasn't for the kids the mothers would be living on the streets. Fortunately our society does take care of children usually. You won't find those kids that are not allowed to experience failure in the inner city.

As for me. I live in the country. If you look at my picture you will see rolling hills behind us. No I don't take handouts. I do believe in giving in whatever way I am able. I gave 5 children a safe loving home. It gives back to me every day.

Social workers are some of the best people there are. they are severely underpaid. They have a very difficult job that is heart wrenching. They truly know how to give.

 

[reinbeau]

Our perceptions are very much colored by our environments.