Neko, no she doesn't hold back anything, but she's 14, I'm not. I want to figure a way around just grounding her into oblivion. She has problems, and she is a flamin hard headed jerk some days, but she is my flamin hard headed jerk and I want her to be better than that. I don't think threatening to put her out, or even doing it will help anything. If I did that, it would cement in her little pea brain that the women in her life either A) ALWAYS bow down if they love her(the grandma) or B) leave her. I don't want her to get the idea that love is about control or only ever getting her own way. It's just not healthy. And I have to turn this kid loose on the world some day...I'd like for her to be somewhat civilized at that point