I watched the documentary "Fat Head" ....

[hikerchick]

I have the problem where if I don't eat enough carbs, my liver releases glucose , thereby causing a spike. Low carb is just not healthy for many diabetics. My glucose is always highest after a fast for this reason.

And I have never, ever heard carbs referred to as toxins. Cultures all over the world have eaten a high carb diet with few ill effects for thousands of years. If carbs were toxic, the species would have died out by now.

 

[Wifezilla]

I have the problem where if I don't eat enough carbs, my liver releases glucose

You can also get a spike from too much protein at one sitting. While others can eat a lot of protein, I have to keep mine in check along with the carbohydrates.

Low carb is just not healthy for many diabetics.

We are just going to have to agree to disagree on this one.

And I have never, ever heard carbs referred to as toxins.

Why does your body release insulin? Why does it want to remove excess glucose from the blood stream? It is because it is a toxin and causes damage. The longer the exposure, the greater the damage

Cultures all over the world have eaten a high carb diet with few ill effects for thousands of years.

You need to do more research. You can start with the Egyptians.

"The primary staple was a coarse bread made of stone-ground, whole wheat. Animals were used as beasts of burden and were valued much more for the work they could do than for the meat they could provide. The banks of the Nile provided fertile soil for growing all kinds of fruits and vegetables, all of which were a part the low-fat, high-carbohydrate Egyptian diet. And there were no artificial sweeteners, artificial coloring, artificial flavors, preservatives, or any of the other substances that are part of all the manufactured foods we eat today.

Were the nutritionists of today right about their ideas of the ideal diet, the ancient Egyptians should have had abundant health. But they didnt. In fact, they suffered pretty miserable health. Many had heart disease, high blood pressure, diabetes and obesity all the same disorders that we experience today in the civilized Western world. Diseases that Paleolithic man, our really ancient ancestors, appeared to escape.

The press has been filled with reports of the recent discovery thanks to DNA analysis of the mummy of Queen Hatshepsut, who ruled Egypt for around 15 years 3500 years ago.

According to the New York Times, Hatshepsuts mummy is that of an obese, diabetic 50 year old woman with bad teeth. All the conditions that nutritionists today would have us believe would be prevented by Hatshepsuts diet. It certainly didnt work for her. And she is not a special case most Egyptian mummies show the same disorders, especially the bad teeth. The skeletal remains of Paleolithic man, who consumed a meat-based diet, showed strong, perfect teeth. Bad teeth are the hallmark of carbohydrate consumption."
http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/uncategorized/obesity-in-ancient-egypt/

 

[hikerchick]

I have the problem where if I don't eat enough carbs, my liver releases glucose

You can also get a spike from too much protein at one sitting. While others can eat a lot of protein, I have to keep mine in check along with the carbohydrates.

That doesn't explain why my blood glucose rises when I fast.

 

[abifae]

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[Dace]

Abi, you said in a previous post I simply cannot believe that chemicals the body cannot digest and use, and foods that keep insulin up all the time, can be good for anyone.

Can you elaborate? I understand the basics of blood sugar, insulin and low GI foods, but that is really the extent of my knowledge.

Awesome conversation going here

 

[abifae]

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[Wifezilla]

If you read studies on people with adrenaline always pumping (ptsd, anxiety disorders) you see a lot of the same issues. Fight/flight stays really active, and all the other hormones get out of whack.

Like trying to drive your car totally tacked out all the time. Try it and see how long the engine lasts.

So people who eat a lot of carbs not only inflame their intestines so they absorb less ANYWAY, they also keep their insulin pumping and therefore have all the side effects of that. Plus insulin changes the way your body uses vitamins. So you absorb fewer and use them wrong, creating more malnutrition so your body tries to store more fat to help out...

Now this is like trying to run your car tacked out all the time on diesel fuel when it is designed to run on unleaded gas!

Another thing that happens over time is insulin resistance and reactive hypoglycemia

Then you move on to type 2 diabetes and other fun stuff like heart disease, alzheimers (actually type 3 diabetes), stroke and more.

 

[HannaLee]

WZ, tell me about this symptom: After a carby meal or snack is ingested, 10-20 minutes later, overwhelming sleepiness results in a 'forced' nap of 10-20 minutes. I call it a 'sugar coma'.

 

[Javamama]

Just jumping in her with various thoughts and tidbits
I can handle some carbs no problemo. This being due to the workout I do - T-Tapp, again urging you all to check it out. Teresa Tapp does extensive research on the effects of her workout and it is proven to help regulate insulin. The one move called Hoe Downs will drastically and instantly drop your blood sugar and many people use it for occaisons when they have consumed carbs. Not saying it's a license to go to Krispy Kreme and pig out.
Anyway it helps by building core muscle density, which then burns those carbs, in very simplistic terms. It's early, I'm .

Second, I still eat a fair amount of carbs, but not too many refined usually. It's still way lower than the stupid death pyramid recommends. I can do this for now. I change as I need to. Anyway, after a few days of eating cookies and crap because we were away from home and that's what there was, my autoimmune symptoms which show up as little red bumps on my fingers and elbows have popped up. Due to T-Tapp and then diet changes, I have not had a flare up in years. I will be spending the next few days removing toxins from my body via short fasts, Dr. Christopher's lower bowel formula (great product for bowel health! not harsh at all), T-Tapp - gets all the systems working, and back to real, nourishing food. My body heaves a sigh of relief and thanks me.

It does take time, but I have found myself wanting to indulge less and less. This year I did better than last year. I'm sure next year will be way better than this year. It's a process and I am so glad to be on this road.

Teresa Tapp has a great seminar about blood types and heritage, and all kinds of great info that tells why certain people can eat certain things but might puff up at say, dairy or wheat. It's really interesting. Another informational tool for toolbox for the info gatherers.

Gotta go. Children need me.

 

[meriruka]

This throws me off a bit, probably because I've studied ancient history for 20 years or so most especially Egyptians. Not trying to start an argument here, but I'd just like to clarify some things, please don't be offended.

You need to do more research. You can start with the Egyptians.

Were the nutritionists of today right about their ideas of the ideal diet, the ancient Egyptians should have had abundant health. But they didnt. In fact, they suffered pretty miserable health. Many had heart disease, high blood pressure, diabetes and obesity all the same disorders that we experience today in the civilized Western world. Diseases that Paleolithic man, our really ancient ancestors, appeared to escape."According to the New York Times, Hatshepsuts mummy is that of an obese, diabetic 50 year old woman with bad teeth. All the conditions that nutritionists today would have us believe would be prevented by Hatshepsuts diet. It certainly didnt work for her. And she is not a special case most Egyptian mummies show the same disorders, especially the bad teeth. The skeletal remains of Paleolithic man, who consumed a meat-based diet, showed strong, perfect teeth. Bad teeth are the hallmark of carbohydrate consumption."
http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/uncategorized/obesity-in-ancient-egypt/

The biggest factor to consider about the Egyptians is that the majority of mummies available for study were from the wealthy class, particularly royalty. This group, (especially the women) got almost no exercise during their lives. Servants did everything for them. No matter what you eat, if you don't exercise, you will develop health problems. Teeth of the Egyptians were ground down by the presence of stone in the bread which came from grinding the grain to flour. This removed the layers of enamel which led to decay.
Paleolithic man on the other hand, did not live a sedentary life by any means and his lifespan was very short. Not really enough time to develop the types of health problems listed above. He also did not have a steady diet of gravel to munch on.

How many of us ate all kinds of garbage growing up but still remained healthy/thin, that's because we were constantly running around outside. Exercise is crucial to maintaining health.