Icu4dzs said:
In order to consider the term "essential" it is important to understand some basic facts. The human body, in order to be healthy requires nutrients in three main classifications, Protein, Fat and Carbohydrate. These then are divided by percentages; fat=25%; Protein 20% and the rest carbohydrate. Understanding the way this works allows one to have a better working knowledge of what is truly essential.
I stick by this statement. It comes from the basic scientific truths of human physiology, not the "new facts gleaned from the geniuses on the internet who have more time on their hands than education in their heads. There is a distinct difference between facts and truth. Knowing that alone puts one way ahead of the pack.
FarmerChick said:
if you consider this 'fact' then my low carb eating wouldn't appeal to you
That depends on what you are using for your carbohydrate load.
The human body does not require carbohydrates to survive. That is a plain fact. No one 'needs' a carb load ever. A person can live on nearly 10 net carbs per day for life and never have a problem. The body has a back up system with ketosis. Carbs for glucose are not necessary. Considering the obesity epidemic in this country, one would be wise to choose forms of carbohydrate that is easily metabolized and used by the body. Given the "fact" that anything processed in some can or container has been changed so much that the basic nutritional components are nearly indistinguishable, one can make any assertion about the source of one's diet. Then again, a Big Mac, order of fries and a milkshake contains nearly 4000 calories. A great diet which when the lights go out, will NOT be available readily as it is now. The Zombies will be wanting YOU to cook for them when that happens.
FarmerChick said:
Old "facts" with bad results for your nutrition.
Unfortunately, this sentence reminds me of a recent quote by Mrs. N. Pelosi. She asked a woman physicist why certain facts that the physicist had testified were that way and the physicist replied "Well, those are the laws of physics", to which Mrs. Pelosi replied "well, what do we have to do to get THOSE changed?" It seems to me that a little education can be nearly as dangerous as none at all. Some "old facts" as you put it are just plain truths.
Plain truths have been found incorrect over and over the centuries
believe me our dietary info out there is horrendous. How many truths have been expelled and new data obtained? Well, I will just say ALOT 
You can argue till you are blue in the face and cite all the absolutely reliable "internet" information (by the way I'm a French model...you know the one you met on the internet...BonJOUR) If you are going to depend on the "internet" for your "facts" you may come away from it with just a bit of disappointment. Probably ought to seek out some reliable text books and science on the subject before giving advice.
ragging the internet for resources gets old. I found the SAS Survival manual on the internet. Does that mean it is useless information made by some dumb chump thinking they are experts? Probably. The correct use of the internet holds tons of value obviously. If your 'only and best' facts are found on the internet, does that make them totally useless? Seems to me it would be that way if you are recommending books that are on the internet.
FarmerChick said:
I wouldn't eat like this for anything. (tons of good info on the net about how higher grain carbs and nutritonally useless carbs are eaten in huge quantites. this is our diet nightmare)--but I am not going to debate this. Info is out there for anyone willing to just read. processed junk sugar, don't get me started.
No one expects you to eat something you don't want to eat. Unfortunately, what is available for consumption in times when little or nothing is being transported may be somewhat limited. Calories are calories.
agree calories are calories, but the sources of those calories you eat are what makes the difference. the source of food. You only need about 25 Kcal/Kg. of body weight to maintain your body weight. Folks with all kinds of "new facts" seem to overlook this basic truth about human metabolism. Eating low carbohydrate diets are fine for losing weight and avoiding diabetes, but the body still needs a percentage of this basic food component, regardless of where you get it.
that is incorrect. one does not need carbs to survive. of course smaller nets of carbs in veggies etc. are going to happen, but a 'carb load' is not required. If one is smart, one picks the right sources...to that we can certainly agree.
FarmerChick said:
Hardtack has a proven record in survival, especially travel, but using wheat as a staple is something I would never do.
Simple hardtack recipe
You can make hardtack almost identical to what sailors, troops, and pioneers have been eating (minus the weevils!) by following this simple recipe:
4-5 cups of flour (but of course, you wouldn't use wheat..
.perhaps saw dust would taste better, huh?
2 cups of water
3 tsp. of salt
Seems that wheat might be more important than you seem to think. You know, I DON"T make this stuff up.
you don't have to make it up, you copied it off the internet. I have seen this also. here is more: Prior to the early 20th century, there were no laws governing tampering with food products; storekeepers on the frontier quickly discovered that it was profitable to "stretch" their inventories. It was not uncommon for a pound of flour purchased in a general store to be half plaster. Cornmeal was "plumped" with sawdust. Coffee might contain dyed navy beans, dry-roasted peas, or even small pebbles.
wheat doesn't enter into my menus ever
wheat is one the unhealthiest foods causing millions digestion problems. hardtack got many thru hard times when ANY food was required just to get thru the situation. like pioneer travel but times have changed. hardtack wasn't needed as a food source, it was a convenient food source to carry and not perishable. It made survival and progress of a country continue. Unless the situation is so dire, the least of our problems will be worrying about carry hardtack to survive. if it comes to that in this day and age it will be over before we know it.
FarmerChick said:
protein, veg and fruits are essential.[
And they are all readily available when the snow is on the ground and it is -25*F too! A really good approach to that problem might be to find some other way to store necessary nutrients during the winter. Not everyone lives in the "eternal sunshine" such as found in the tropics.
many survival in harsh climates. all the above can be prepped like with any foods for long term winter survival. Winter survival is just another situation one can adapt.
FarmerChick said:
Essential in long term is to put something nutritious in your mouth on a daily basis to survive. Period.
Well now, that is truly a statement on which we can all rely. What we are talking about here is how to obtain and provide those "something nutritious" items.
FarmerChick said:
WATER is actually the number one priority in any disaster situation. You won't live many days without it. It beats security and shelter big time. You have water you live to get the security and shelter into place. In survival mode water is key. In 'prepping mode' security and shelter is key, then you address your water situation cause you have time to prepare, stock, learn etc.
Obviously, you have been exposed to the hazards of violence/war and know this to be absolutely true. Many of us may have a different perspective on the subject of security and shelter. It is important to "stay alive" if you want to stay alive. All the water inn the ocean won't stop the cold from crystalizing your blood at -25*F. Stick with the basics here. We agree that water is essential for life but life is essential to need/use water. I rarely see dead people drink much.
depends on the situation I agree. if we are talking doomsday prep, security/shelter are biggies. if we are talking 6 months survival for small natural disaster, while sec/shelter is important obviously, your basic need of water is a first for survival to put the others into better place.
FarmerChick said:
Anyone wants to know real survival in this world, hit the internet and learn skills.
Prepper info is all out there to learn how to survive many disasters, long term and short.
OK, that is great advice. Now tell them how to start a fire. Reading an article on the internet does NOT serve to replace the motor skills for doing the things required to live. But then the computer will work fine and the internet will be available to everyone when the lights are out and then you can just look up whatever you want. I like that approach.
it isn't about just reading, it is about doing. we all know that. info and research etc. before the disaster obviously. prepper types are doers, not just readers
FarmerChick said:
Thing is when it all hits the fan, how one prepares will be tested

then everyone will know how they faired. Talking 'what if' is great. we learn, prepare but don't actually live it. 'living it' is the true test.
Seems that this is what I said in the sentence above. One of my favorite movies is "Cast Away". I am particularly fond of the scene where our hero decides he needs fire and goes about bloodying his hands to finally achieve a fire. Perhaps that might have been mitigated by a little practice prior to getting into that dilemma. For what it is worth, I'd recommend practicing a few of those basic "survival" skills now and let the internet alone. It won't be there when you need it. Learn which plants are edible NOW, and learn how to prepare them...because the internet won't be there when you need it. Learn how to purify water NOW...and do it. A little diarrhea now is easily resolved, but won't be when the "lights go out".
There are some time tested and proven sources of information in the world currently. The SAS Survival Manual, The US Army Survival manual (FM-21-76), and a host of books on edible plants, etc. If you know how to use the skills contained in these, your chances of doing well either "sheltering in place" or "on the road" will be significantly enhanced. (not that I have ever had to use any of these skills...recently)
With all of this, if a 6 month survival is what a person wants, than plan out for it. If one is thinking doomsday then go all in with your life prepping for survival. The person decides the plan. Let them all have at it
But then "Brutus IS an honorable man"
YMMV
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