What happens to layers when they stop laying~WARNING: GRAPHIC PICS

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Do you ship chicks?

 

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Some people just don't appreciate a chicken. They treat the living bird badly, then go to KFC for fried chicken. Go figure. And thank you for that lovely compliment!

 

[NH Homesteader]

What is a lash egg exactly? We had a friend who sold eggs on a large-ish scale and had production layers, but he culled every year. A guy came up from Boston and paid him $2/bird and sold them in the Asian community down there. Perfect solution really (I mean, as far as production birds go).

We haven't had chickens long enough to have really sorted out any sort of plan for old hens. None of ours are over 4 (well there's one we don't really know how old she is....)

That is pretty horrific, had no clue of these things really.

 

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What is a lash egg exactly? We had a friend who sold eggs on a large-ish scale and had production layers, but he culled every year. A guy came up from Boston and paid him $2/bird and sold them in the Asian community down there. Perfect solution really (I mean, as far as production birds go).

We haven't had chickens long enough to have really sorted out any sort of plan for old hens. None of ours are over 4 (well there's one we don't really know how old she is....)

That is pretty horrific, had no clue of these things really.

A lash egg is an abnormal ovulation that either doesn't make it to the oviduct and enters the abdominal cavity or it does enter the oviduct but there is no albumen or shell around it all the way down the duct, it's not round, slick and easy to pass so the bird strains and strains to move it along and often cannot due to the nature of the oviduct and the object passing through it.

You'll often find "leather eggs" under the roosts for much the same reason...these are eggs that have soft, rough textured shells around them, like turtle shells or snake shells but rough in texture. The hen feels like she's having a bowel movement and will often expel these eggs while on the roosts as she strains in the early mornings.

If the lash egg enters the abdomen, the body will treat it like a foreign body and fluid will start to collect around it. Often infection will set in and results in what is called egg peritonitis, which is a fancy way of saying an infection in the abdomen caused by a foreign body of egg tissue. They also call these lash eggs "egg tumors".

The hen in that pic was 4 yrs old, which is a huge old age for a production breed but not too bad for other breeds. A production breed rarely makes it past 2 1/2-3 yrs before developing these issues.

Start looking for when your hen doesn't start to lay in the early spring when all the other birds do and lay at least a few eggs a week on a regular basis. Every hen who is a layer should be laying by the end of March/beginning April in a regular type cycle.

If she's not laying, she's not going through regular ovulation cycles~be she old or young~and this is a warning sign. Time to cull. Not because you want all the eggs you can get from your flock, but because this bird is a ticking time bomb just waiting for a belly full of misery.

Another sign a bird is at the end of her regular laying cycles is when she starts to lay double yolks and she never had done so before. This may seem fun to get double yolkers, but it indicates abnormal ovulation to have two eggs released at the same time...if she is young or if she is old, double yolkers are a precursor to problems later on~either with internal laying or prolapse of the uterus from the repeated laying of too large eggs. There's a reason most eggs are within a certain size and shape...because that's what the oviduct is designed to carry.

Pushing those lash eggs out will also cause prolapse of the uterus...painful, painful condition.

 

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For you folks who have hens die but never open up your birds to find out if you can see the reason why, I encourage you to do so if you ever want to learn, really learn, about chickens. I know it's gross and especially if you really liked the chicken, it's hard, but it's worth it if you will ever learn how to prevent illness, suffering, parasites, etc. in your flocks.

Here's another hen that was kept well past her laying life by my sister, who will NOT kill a chicken, even when they are suffering horribly...she just keeps them for years until predators get them or they die of illness related to aging out of laying. She's had a LOT of birds die over the years and never had a clue as to why, though the descriptions she gives me of the symptoms prior to death, all were preventable by just culling her flock on a regular basis. Oh, she'd try to give them antibiotics and such and sometimes that extended their life a month longer, but eventually the reproductive issues caught up with them again.

Death is death and all creatures will die~us included~but being able to control the nature of the dying is the gift a human can give their animals. It's called stewardship and it's our responsibility, once taking on the care and life of another creature, to insure they have a good life and a good death.

This hen had severe reproductive cancer that had spread throughout her abdomen, was attached to all her organs and even the walls of her body cavity. When she arrived here I noticed her comb was purple, she had a massive abdomen and she was gasping for breath, but she died before I could even give her the hand of mercy.

 

[NH Homesteader]

That is horrific. We do not autopsy birds, although we would if we lost multiple at a time. However we do end their misery if we need to, far before their discomfort turns to suffering.

Are these sorts of things less common in breeds that haven't been "messed with" as much? I mean, it seems counterproductive for chickens as a whole to develop these issues, unless we did it to them by selective breeding...

 

[Beekissed]

I firmly believe that open range foraging helps. They get more exercise, eat a variety and select more of what THEY need. Mine also get fresh fruits & veggies, bread, oyster shells available, fresh water in several places & some supplemental feed in PM. They also clean up from any horse & goat feeds that are left or dropped. My birds scour a couple acres daily...they have favorite places for bugs & worms. Had a lot of little grasshoppers this year.
Then they head to their favorite shady dust bath locations. What a life!

ETA: I have NEVER opened a chicken & found stuff like that. The last one, wow, that might make me never open another.....Dang!! That is unreal!

I agree! Quality free range, sunshine, clean dusting spots, clean water, exercise and low stress living conditions contribute a lot towards good health....and that's for just about any animal...or human.

I've never had illness in my flocks and I attribute it to that kind of life, low stocking numbers for the amount of range and coop size, open air coops, and judicious culling of those who would be the most likely to be hosts of parasites and pathogens.

I don't do quarantines or "biosecurity" measures, but rely heavily on the good immune systems of the resident flock to protect them from environmental pathogens.

I've never seen anything in my own chickens like I find in the chickens of other flock owners. Most likely because I never let my chickens live after they stop laying for good...too many bad things can result from it.

 

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I agree about the broody breaks and how it affects a chicken's overall laying life. Also winter breaks. I think these are natural cycles for a hen, so breeds that have been so manipulated that they no longer go broody or lay right through the winter months are those most likely to burn out early and develop reproductive issues.

Just as it's good for any female animal to be pregnant, even many times in their lives, it's good for chickens to brood and raise chicks...it fulfills their purpose and makes them a more social bird within the flock overall.

Rabbits produce better and stay healthier if they kindle often as opposed to never getting to kindle more than once a year or not at all. Same with sows..they too have larger, healthier litters if allowed to be bred at least once per year. Female dogs do better if they are allowed to have a litter before being spayed and I believe cats do as well.

 

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Mom checked that chicken, which would usually be completely gone by now, consumed by the various scavengers. That bird hasn't been touched.

Even the scavengers know that thing is infectious!

 

[NH Homesteader]

is right. Ewww