america's health goals!

[FarmerChick]

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[Wifezilla]

I guess all those church and community leaders who have already DONE IT are just farting rainbows and dreaming then huh?

LOL

As long as people think that since everything can't be perfect nobody should try anything we will just keep getting more and more problems.

Now where is that hammer? I think I need it for my head.

scared their kids might get hurt, live in fear and oppression, scared to take a bus at dusk, scared to walk their street....etc.

If where you are living is so crappy WHY would you bring a KID in to it? If you can't even take care of yourself and you want to bring innocent in to it? How irresponsible is that?

 

[Wifezilla]

http://www.sierraclub.org/sierra/200611/produce.asp
http://urbanministrygarden.wordpress.com/
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1826271,00.html
http://www.rentedspaces.com/2010/01/04/community-gardens-take-root-in-north-miami/
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...a/growing-an-urban-revolution/article1416414/

 

[abifae]

*cracks up*

you guys are awesome. i wander off to work for just a few hours and a debate breaks out without me

*makes everyone use i statements*

i don't believe i can understand another without walking in their shoes.

i don't feel that it is responsible to have kids if you can't afford yourself.

i prefer blowing rainbows out my butt than hitting abi with hammers.

statements are less ascerbic if you phrase them well.

 

[hikerchick]

I guess all those church and community leaders who have already DONE IT are just farting rainbows and dreaming then huh?

LOL

As long as people think that since everything can't be perfect nobody should try anything we will just keep getting more and more problems.

Now where is that hammer? I think I need it for my head.

scared their kids might get hurt, live in fear and oppression, scared to take a bus at dusk, scared to walk their street....etc.

If where you are living is so crappy WHY would you bring a KID in to it? If you can't even take care of yourself and you want to bring innocent in to it? How irresponsible is that?

You are right, WZ. My parents were just wrong to have had me.

 

[ScottSD]

So....here's an idea.....

move to the country.

 

[me&thegals]

I don't want to be rude and I don't want to contribute to an argument, but it shocks me that people still believe making huge life changes are actually that easy.

Just move to the country? Just take care of yourself? Just be healthy?

Exactly how does someone entrenched in poverty "just do" any of that? Let's pretend they have no money, no education/skills to live in the country, no friends/family/support IN the country, no affordable home in the country, nobody who wants to be a neighbor to them in the country, no transportation, etc.

I think we all agree that anyone can make better choices in their lives. But, I don't think that means that we all have the same variety of choices and possibilities.



As for health, I think a daily requirement for dark chocolate should be added somewhere in our current list of enormously long legislation.

 

[abifae]

You are right, WZ. My parents were just wrong to have had me.

that's rather uncalled for.

*shrugs* my parents were utterly irresponsible to have me. they shouldn't have. people make stupid choices all the time.

since i'm here i'll do the best i can but it was definitely an error in their judgement.

 

[me&thegals]

You are right, WZ. My parents were just wrong to have had me.

that's rather uncalled for.

*shrugs* my parents were utterly irresponsible to have me. they shouldn't have. people make stupid choices all the time.

since i'm here i'll do the best i can but it was definitely an error in their judgement.

Uh, which comment was uncalled for? Starting to judge other people's reproductive rights is a very fine line to walk.

Maybe part of being a healthier nation is fully supporting those who are reproducing rather than leaving them to live in levels of poverty that create disease and costly problems for all of society.

ETA: Abi--I think HC is being sarcastic/ironic in response to WZ's suggestion that those in poverty not reproduce. Maybe that tone didn't come through.

I guess I'm missing the point here. Apparently my parents were irresponsible to get pregnant immediately after getting married as teens, especially since they were totally impoverished. Really stunk when I had birth problems that ran up enormous hospital bills. Thank goodness the hospital wrote off the bills, I healed, and they were able to work their butts off at building up a business, living the American dream and going on to create a total of 4 productive members of society.

Just took some support in their lives and people willing to give them a chance, plus their own dogged determination to make it work.

 

[Wifezilla]

it shocks me that people still believe making huge life changes are actually that easy

And yet people do it every day showing it can be done

Nobody said it was easy. Change is hard. The fact that it is hard is no excuse to keep doing the same dumb thing and expecting different results. Actually, I think that is the definition of insanity isn't it>

Ok...now I will use my *I* statements to make abi happy ...

*I* think people can eat healthier even in difficult situations. *I* think if you have $5.00 for a bag of Doritos and a Mt Dew, you have money for a bag of dry beans ($1.25) a pound of ground turkey ($1.49) and a bag of carrots ($2) instead. *I* think you may even have enough change for a can of tomato paste. Sounds like chili with a side of carrot sticks for 3 to me instead of a snack for 1.