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[murphysranch]

Me too, Mini. I'm sick of all the constant bad news. Over here, we've had a large increase in domestic violence deaths, car accidents, etc. Not to mention that deranged man who killed his three daughters with plastic bags over their heads. He's still on the run.

Also an egg factory in Calif is responsible for sickening some people across several states due to Salmonella.

edited to add: an RV on line newsletter poled its readers asking: I voted to go back for a couple or three weeks. To learn off of them how to be more self sufficient.

If you had a time machine, would you take a month-long trip 200 years into the past or future?​

 

[FarmerJamie]

Me too, Mini. I'm sick of all the constant bad news. Over here, we've had a large increase in domestic violence deaths, car accidents, etc. Not to mention that deranged man who killed his three daughters with plastic bags over their heads. He's still on the run.

Also an egg factory in Calif is responsible for sickening some people across several states due to Salmonella.

edited to add: an RV on line newsletter poled its readers asking: I voted to go back for a couple or three weeks. To learn off of them how to be more self sufficient.

If you had a time machine, would you take a month-long trip 200 years into the past or future?​

We had a discussion like this a long time ago here.

I would not go back, average life expectancy in 1825 was 30 (what I tried to look up), lots of mass disease and suffering. Life was much harder. Having grandparents growing up in the depression with their parents and grandparents living in the 1800s, they never wanted to go back and experience that. My grandmother was THRILLED when they got an indoor toilet in 1961.


Going forward would be dependent on my state of mind at the time of whether things in society would improve or decline in the future.

 

[Mini Horses]

I don't need to go back, BTDT. Yep, my grands & families lived in the past almost all their lives. I was almost 30 when last one got electric...never indoor plumbing. Modern conveniences are wonderful but, I could manage ok if SHTF. Happy, might be a challenge

Oh, yeah -- bread almost done ( bread machine!) and some sprouting onions from the hanging mesh sack were chopped & are caramelizing. Freeze later. Gotta small package this cheese to freeze & make another batch....frig room needed again.

Custard is on my mind....hmmm. cooking day.

 

[Hinotori]

We had a discussion like this a long time ago here.

I would not go back, average life expectancy in 1825 was 30 (what I tried to look up), lots of mass disease and suffering. Life was much harder. Having grandparents growing up in the depression with their parents and grandparents living in the 1800s, they never wanted to go back and experience that. My grandmother was THRILLED when they got an indoor toilet in 1961.


Going forward would be dependent on my state of mind at the time of whether things in society would improve or decline in the future.

I love life expectancy information. It's really not understood by most and misrepresented by media and many others. Including government talking heads because they don't understand life expectancy is always broken into age cohorts because average life expectancy is useless for determining how long a person can expect to live. Infant mortality skews it way too much.

That's average life expectancy, not cohort life expectancy. If you reached adulthood, 60-70 was still normal. Even in the worst part of the dark ages it was still pretty normal. Disease mostly kills off the young and elderly with a few exceptions.

There was a reason babies weren't named until 3 years old in some cultures. Infant (under 5) mortality was 30-50 percent in dark ages.

In US in 1900, infant mortality was between 10-30% depending on city and poverty level. It's currently sitting around .56% total for the US. It goes up and down the last few years instead of the constant decrease we'd seen for decades. It's increased in southern states is a good part of that.

There was a concerning uptick back in the early 2000s when it was becoming common for doctors to promote unneeded C sections. Both infant and mother mortality rose in the US. The US actually has the worst infant life expectancy of a developed country.

Most interesting is that all actual human life expectancy dropped like a rock when we became farmers instead of hunter gatherers. Anthropologic records of same timeframe populations show this.

Infant mortality is low for nomadic hunter gatherers as children must be carried so fewer children close together allowing more care for each one. Less disease in those populations as well. It took until the last century for humans to finally get back to the same life expectancies we had pre-agricultural revolution.

Basically, eating grains as the entire basis of our diet encourages disease by causing nutritional deficiencies and weaking the body making it susceptible to other disease. Also causes tooth decay. Teeth are the quickest way to tell apart bones from the transitional time period. Grains were only a small part of diets before agriculture. Sugar also caused a change. There are enough historical records from when it was introduced to Europe to show the issue. It was a rich person disease cause then and doctors railed against it.

Eta: war deaths are a different cohort calculation

 

[Hinotori]

Hubby and I have discussed this many times over the years. Often with our gaming group because of different campaigns. Learning stuff is needed for that with a bunch of nerds. That goes for the sci-fi stuff we did as well.

Going back to pre-Renaissance (and somewhat during), make sure you don't try to fit in. That way you get mistaken for an eccentric noble from another country. Historically, people were able to fake it. There are a few cons that are written about. The way the nobility in Europe worked was they had the expectancation of housing any other noble that just showed up on their doorstep for at least several months. So just move around to different noble households every so often.

Modern fabrics with their tight, even weave and bright colors should make up your wardrobe. You want actual high quality and not the modern fashion house trash. Go flamboyent. Take your guns or whatever. There really isn't a risk of causing issues with the archeological record because there are some dumb archeologists that cant tell modern from prehistoric anyway and the good ones will rule out modern artifacts as misplaced by accident which does actually happen all the dang time.

 

[CrealCritter]

What do you see in this chart?

United States: life expectancy 1860-2020| Statista

Over the past 160 years, life expectancy (from birth) in the United States has risen from 39.4 years in 1860, to 78.9 years in 2020.

www.statista.com

Jesus is Lord and Christ

 

[Hinotori]

What do you see in this chart?

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United States: life expectancy 1860-2020| Statista

Over the past 160 years, life expectancy (from birth) in the United States has risen from 39.4 years in 1860, to 78.9 years in 2020.

www.statista.com

Jesus is Lord and Christ

Thats the infant cohort life expectancy

 

[Hinotori]

There is still a big life expectancy gap between different races in the US. Blacks unfortunately have the highest infant mortality. Much of this is racial bias at hospitals and just overall poorer living areas. It does depend on state as well. Some states are just better at providing follow up care for young children no matter the economic situation of the parents

 

[Mini Horses]

What do I see in that chart? Well, I'm waaay beyond my life exp and doing fantastic!! Going strong.

 

[frustratedearthmother]

What do I see in that chart? Well, I'm waaay beyond my life exp and doing fantastic!! Going strong.

Yay!