Obama finally called them out

[FarmerChick]

majority wants healthcare to everyone at a reasonable cost.

you are in the miniority that doesn't. we hear you, just the majority rules.

 

[reinbeau]

My solution is to insure them. Only them. It would be far cheaper to take care of the uninsured than to change the whole system. But that won't help them gain even more control over us, so that's out.

Who is proposing this? Last I heard the plan was to supplement what is already out there in order to cover the uninsured and NOT to reinvent the whole wheel.

I'm sorry, but if you believe that, there really isn't any point in continuing the discussion. I'm not being mean, I'm not being rude, I'm just saying, you believe what's being fed you (so do a few others here) and there really isn't any point in discussing it further.

As for the majority, if the majority wanted this plan, there wouldn't be the battle going on that's going on. The majority do not want this plan.

 

[Wifezilla]

the majority rules.

In that case, this plan wouldn't even be up for a vote. The majority DO NOT want this bill.

Besides, we are a republic, NOT a democracy.

 

[FarmerChick]

a pic of a protesting group isn't useful.

the majority does want the changes.

Last I saw like 2 days ago was I think it 54% in favor, 46% not in favor (how they weren't in favor I didn't check--don't know if it is just part of the plan being worked on or all of it or ?)

that means majority wants it.

Did anyone watch the video of 3000 people needing free healthcare I posted? Probably not. Could a free healthcare charity do this in say LA? NO---or anywhere else populated and they need care. Do you think those 3000 would want a reform that includes everyone getting coverage. I know so!


again it is about how the changes are coming.

changes are happening. they must. I am glad for anything that gets everyone covered. Other countries can do it. We can. Just that we f'd up the system so bad the changeover will not be easy. So what, it is a move forward to fix the nation.

It is some want the govt help and others don't. I don't see much more about it truly other than some are so scared they will not get perfect medical help. well there is no perfect medical help in this world for billions. join the group you were always in and let others have a chance for medical care....but again, it is how we do it which is in question.

 

[reinbeau]

More than 54% wanted slavery to continue, we fought a war over it. The majority isn't a sacred cow in this country, thank goodness. Sometimes cooler heads prevail.

Also, what was the poll those numbers were pulled from? Did they want 'change', or did they want Obamacare? There's a difference.

 

[FarmerChick]

I can't remember where I just saw that...but I will find true numbers to prove the majority wants it...cause I know they do at this point.

You can't take something like slavery and compare it with healthcare. That is just useless.

Also I said, everyone wants a change mostly. Just depends on how it happens and some say govt should step in others say no.

I don't think no one wants "everyone not to have medical coverage". It is the steps we take to get there.

 

[me&thegals]

While I respect your feelings on this issue, one person certainly cannot speak for all the rest.

Yet one person (or a few) claims to speak for 47 million. Yet, being a part of the alleged 47 million, my voice doesn't count.

Of course it counts, but please don't ask others to not dare to speak for you. You are one voice and there are many others who are in your situation and may not feel the same as you.

I have my own opinion in my own situation, but I'm not telling others in that position to be quiet and not speak for me. Their opinion is just as valid.

 

[me&thegals]

I don't know how many doctors would *actually* close their doors. It's one thing to say something in a poll, another to actually follow through with it.

The Government is not a benevolant Uncle Sam or a Nanny State, they Do Not have our best interest at heart. If we get any help when they do something, it is purely accidental. Most are only thinking of their next election and how to line their pockets.

I think this is the crux of the argument here. Some believe that our nation's leaders actually DO want to do good and have the interests of the nation at whole in hand.

Since you believe the above, I don't see how this debate can go anywhere. You will never see proposals as valid or possible. I DO believe that politicians always have the next election cycle in mind, but I also believe that many (most?) politicians are trying to make changes. We could argue whether it's out of sheer love for humanity or not, but I would guess it is at least a way to leave a good legacy behind them. And some I believe to actually be working quite hard for positive policies.

 

[me&thegals]

My solution is to insure them. Only them. It would be far cheaper to take care of the uninsured than to change the whole system. But that won't help them gain even more control over us, so that's out.

Who is proposing this? Last I heard the plan was to supplement what is already out there in order to cover the uninsured and NOT to reinvent the whole wheel.

I'm sorry, but if you believe that, there really isn't any point in continuing the discussion. I'm not being mean, I'm not being rude, I'm just saying, you believe what's being fed you (so do a few others here) and there really isn't any point in discussing it further.

Whether you mean to or not, it simply is condescending to tell someone that if they really believe what is being "fed them" (as in a baby), there's no point in discussing it further.

See above response to VT. Some of us seem to approach debates about gov't with more pessimism, optimism or realism, whichever place you fall on the spectrum.

I understand distrusting a politician or administration so much that you don't believe a word from their mouths. That's where I was for the past 7 years. However, that administration earned their distrust from me. How has this one in such a short time? How has this Congress in such a short time?

 

[Big Daddy]

I'm always amused that the minority thinks they represent the majority. Beck gets 15000 people to show up at the capital and calls it a major movement. hat was funny is if you went to some of the right wing sites, they had pictures of Obamas inauguration they were portraying as pictures of the gathering. I'm waiting for them to pass the bill and have people start talking about all thye terrible things happening two days later when the bill won't go into effect for 4 years. Notice the picture posted above and how it is cropped to around 200 people. If they went any further out it would show how the crowd is already thinning.