Ohiofarmgirl'sAdventuresinTheGoodLand-where ya been? whatcha been doin

[rebecca100]

Little late, but TSC also sells Albon for chickens. It is like $9 for a quart under the name Sulmet. Same thing that is used for dogs.

 

[ohiofarmgirl]

By the way, 30 dollars for Strongid seems really high. How much does the dog weigh again? That seems really high.

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Personally I feel it is good to hit all your dogs with a wormer like Drontal once a year. That is why I was so surprised the goat folks didn't think worming "just because" is a good idea, because with dogs they are almost sure to have worms using a wide spectrum wormer once a year is very cost effective.

happy monday everyone!!!

so

we made it to church on time, the MIL's stupid poodles did NOT bite us, of course she had snarky things to say but we laughed about it on the way home, chicken that i didnt have make = B- but still a deal, and we ended up watching HBO's mini series The Pacific all afternoon. now - waiting for the next flooding storm and hoping the stupid snow will melt.

so

SD - i'll PM you later but yeah i know about the cost! thats why i was so mad and i specifically asked them for something i could get at TSC but this is what happens when you call TSC around here:

vet lady: do you have Strongid
TSC person: strong what?
vl: Strongid ?
TSC: what?
vl: the wormer
TSC: we dont have worms here

whatever.

Lucky is right at 90 pounds and the dose is 9 ml's - 3 doses 2 weeks apart. the albon was $30+ also so it was an expensive trip.

where can i get Drontal or do i need an rx for it?

and i totally blew coffee out my nose when you said this:

That is why I was so surprised the goat folks didn't think worming "just because" is a good idea, because with dogs they are almost sure to have worms using a wide spectrum wormer once a year is very cost effective.[

hee hee hee hee hee talk about a brawl waiting to happen! ha ha ha thats a 'can of worms' for sure! ha! and yes i worm the ladies usually once a year - it makes sense to me also.

i saw an argument one time about how using the milk from a just-wormed-goat for the chickens would make the clucks resistant to the wormer.

huh?

plausible? sure, possible? from once a year? nah... just a little silly.

but thats a whole other argument for sure.

anyway - Lucky is perking up. he looks better in the face and right now he and the pup and in an epic brawl. pretty much the only "real" symptom he had was that he wasnt playing with Kai. other than that it was just 'ADR' (aint doin right). i'll say it again - we are so glad for our vet who is willing to work with us. whew!

we had Kai checked and she had NO parasites when we took her in about 6 weeks ago. we'll take a big ol' sack o' poop from Titan (i'll need a garbage bag) to get him checked out also. but i might just get the Drontal that you recommended.

so for today - work work work and more work. i got the stuff to make my own seed starting mix. and more organization. i got the shelves finished in the kitchen so i'm glad to check one more thing off my list.

yay!

 

[glenolam]

peels the lid slowly off the can of worms

This is how I look at it -

Dogs and goats (or any other livestock, for that matter) are completely different. Dogs have evolved into a completely human-dependant animal and their immune system isn't able to adapt to weird and funky stuff that's out there anymore whereas livestock still have a hint of independant-ness against the squeemy squirmies. I choose to "make" my livestock (goats, chickens, cows) duke it out with the creepy crawlies as best they can before I intervene because in my mind it's making them hardier animals.

Now, that's not to say I'm RIGHT by any means, but that's my story and I'm sticking to it.

 

[ohiofarmgirl]

peels the lid slowly off the can of worms

i love that you said this! hee hee hee

and yes all good thoughts!

last year we were a little more hoppy-aroundy about the goats. we had to put down one of the neighbor's goats b/c the worms were so bad. ours did really well - i honestly think that having the hens and ducks run with the goats cuts down on the worm load.

go ducks!

 

[savingdogs]

WARNING BEFORE BREAKFAST WORM DISCUSSION BELOW

I've had a lot of dogs come to my home and you should see what came out when I wormed them..........with Drontal. Ya wanna worm. Drontal is available at your vets, they have it on the counter OFG. For some reason they chose Strongid, I'm not a vet so perhaps there is a technical reason. Sometimes they don't want something too strong and want to kill off just a few worms at a time so the intestines don't get blocked. They have this thing at vets offices about first wanting to do no harm and worming incorrectly is extremely dangerous. And getting the proper dosage from them for your animal was part of what you paid for. And for their guidance in doing this the right way.

But I think I'm working toward optimal dog health and dealing with dogs from very bad situations, neglect, filth, etc. I've taken dogs that looked really rotten and wormed and de flead them with these products available today, and fed them the right amount of good food for a month, and people would say I performed a "miracle". I have seen with my own eyes the improvement and not once.....I'm not exaggerating that I've seen this improvement at least 100 times. At least. I have not been told I performed a miracle 100 times, I mean I've seen for myself. It wasn't my idea....the groups I fostered for believed in prevention of contamination of the foster homes with worms so worming was required of each dog. But after doing that many and seeing the difference, I'll take my boxing gloves off to anyone who thinks worming dogs is not necessary. At least if you want them to have optimal health. I'm not regimented about the timing, but I like to worm mine every year or after I know they were exposed.

I'd be HAPPY to find natural or cheap methods of worming them, but have also found that one good hard dose of Drontal, while expensive, sure takes care of the problem 100 percent in every case I've tried it except ONE. Many of the dogs who came to me had been "wormed" with tobacco, garlic, and all sorts of other natural wormers. Still the same result after Drontal.
They run about 10 dollars a pill and they need more the more they weigh. Around here I had to pay 40 dollars to worm my golden retriever who weighs 95 pounds with my vet discount. But drontal costs the vet around five to ten a dollars a pill and of course they mark it up from there.

I'm not bragging to say that my experience with dogs is unique and I've rehabilitated more than most people in rescue, even among people who do what I do. When I worked in veterinary I continually surprised the doctors because I was always the one person on the staff who had actually dealt with many of the problems that arise.

My best example was a day when they were having a "quiz" at the lunch table at my last place, who could guess the illness? Three vets are sitting there and two of them were the best ones I know. The question is what causes a dog to vomit what looks like little sausages? All the doctors and techs guess and they finally get to me. I haven't been able to hear their guesses or their discussion and they know it so they are just stopping politely at me for my guess.

Well two months earlier a lady had been trying to dump her breeding stock GSD puppy on me because it had megaesophagus and "barfed up little sausages" and I looked it up online and found out she had to stop breeding her female because that is where the pup got it. She refused to spay her dog so I refused to take the pup. So I knew what it was.

So when they got around to me at the table, I said, "sounds like megaesophagus." and all of their jaws dropped to the table when the person said I was right. Their little "janitor" knew the answer, not them.
I have a lot of "weird" dog experience...............but I like to remember that particular moment when I'm feeling dumb for some reason. But I remember one doctor at my last place would ask my opinions about things sometimes because she knew I have seen a lot of weird stuff.

 

[glenolam]

Sorry - megaesophagus sounds like mega-saugsages.

 

[lorihadams]

You seriously should work for a vet's office!!!

 

[savingdogs]

Well I had plenty of "dumb" moments too. Like once I didn't hear what they were putting in the injection they gave the dog and started freaking out when it fell over (asleep) in my arms. They had sedated it so everyone thought that was pretty funny.

I was never a tech because never could hear well enough to listen to their heartbeats so I'm not educated in the traditional way. My education was in rescue.

 

[savingdogs]

Sorry - megaesophagus sounds like mega-saugsages.

And a good way to remember it! Megaesophagus looks like that.

It was fresh on my mind because Jake was supposed to have that but didn't. But I figured out why his people thought that, if he barfed, he would roll it up into a little sausage to try to hide it. Such a polite boy.
He left today.....his people are probably sooooooooooooo excited!

 

[abifae]

we sure haven't heard much from you lately, abifae!

as KC pointed out... work + school = butt kicked LOL

And I let myself get really anemic. I forgot.