Green Burial

[farmerlor]

I don't want some plot somewhere that could be used for growing something or living on. I think cemeteries are the biggest waste in the world. Just part me out if there's anything worth using and then burn me up.

 

[Big Daddy]

I would like to be stuffed by a taxidermist. Then I could just sit around and keep an eye on things.

Do they bury veterans at sea? Is that one of the benefits in the Navy?

 

[Beekissed]

I've had several discussions with my kids and my mother about this topic. I, too, want to be an organ donor and then I want to be cremated. My folks were all against cremation...dad considered it a pagan ritual! But I had some long talks with my mother about burial costs and the religious aspect of cremation(there are none, as far as I can tell!) and she is starting to come around to my way of thinking.

Since I don't own this property, my first request to put my ashes in the garden where we put the rest of them(wood ashes~relax, people!) just didn't make any sense!

So, I decided that the boys should go camping and fishing where we always did and sprinkle them there. AND....have a good laugh about all the good times we had, catch a few trout just for me and plant me some wild flowers in the spring~it doesn't matter where!

I don't want my boys to have to tend a grave and stone over the years over my "clay pot" and feel guilty if they can't make it over to mom's for Memorial Day, if ya know what I mean! I know some people's culture deems this as a sign of respect for the dead and a way of remembering.

In my way of thinking, respect is to be shown while folks are living~ by loving them and caring for them until they die. And, since I never built any memories in cemeteries, I can't imagine why a trip to one should evoke any more memories than just sitting around talking about my life, their lives, our lives.

Writing on a stone will not be my epitaph....the love that I left to all the people I know will be all the tribute I need!

Besides.....my ashes will be more easily composted than will a big ol' piece of meat encased in a lacquered box!

 

[hoosier]

DH and I want anything useful harvested and then be cremated. We don't want to waste land.
I agree with Beekissed that what you do for people while they are living is what is important.

 

[MorelCabin]

I've had several discussions with my kids and my mother about this topic. I, too, want to be an organ donor and then I want to be cremated. My folks were all against cremation...dad considered it a pagan ritual! But I had some long talks with my mother about burial costs and the religious aspect of cremation(there are none, as far as I can tell!) and she is starting to come around to my way of thinking.

Since I don't own this property, my first request to put my ashes in the garden where we put the rest of them(wood ashes~relax, people!) just didn't make any sense!

So, I decided that the boys should go camping and fishing where we always did and sprinkle them there. AND....have a good laugh about all the good times we had, catch a few trout just for me and plant me some wild flowers in the spring~it doesn't matter where!

I don't want my boys to have to tend a grave and stone over the years over my "clay pot" and feel guilty if they can't make it over to mom's for Memorial Day, if ya know what I mean! I know some people's culture deems this as a sign of respect for the dead and a way of remembering.

In my way of thinking, respect is to be shown while folks are living~ by loving them and caring for them until they die. And, since I never built any memories in cemeteries, I can't imagine why a trip to one should evoke any more memories than just sitting around talking about my life, their lives, our lives.

Writing on a stone will not be my epitaph....the love that I left to all the people I know will be all the tribute I need!

Besides.....my ashes will be more easily composted than will a big ol' piece of meat encased in a lacquered box!

Umm, you do know that Biblically speaking anyone in the Bible that was cremnated was cursed in some way...seriously. I'd look into that a little deeper if i were you...

 

[SKR8PN]

Umm, you do know that Biblically speaking anyone in the Bible that was cremnated was cursed in some way...seriously. I'd look into that a little deeper if i were you...

My thoughts on this are in my signature line.

 

[Beekissed]

I didn't know that, Morel! Will have to ask around, I guess! Could you all give me scripture reference to that, because I can't find any saying cremation is a curse or bad in any way?

 

[MorelCabin]

Umm, you do know that Biblically speaking anyone in the Bible that was cremnated was cursed in some way...seriously. I'd look into that a little deeper if i were you...

My thoughts on this are in my signature line.

No offense...but i was refering to Bee, and didn't ask for anyones thoughts:>)

 

[Beekissed]

I like YOUR sig line, Morel! My thoughts exactly!

 

[MorelCabin]

These are the reasons I am personally against cremation...not to start a debate...just to explain my views on the subject...and yes, like the rest of my life they are from a Biblical perspective

The Old Testament

Is there scriptural allowance for cremation in the Old Testament? The answer is "No!' The universal law and practice of God's people Israel was to bury the body, not burn it.

Take Abraham, for example. As the "Father of the Faithful.' he chose to purchase a plot of ground for 400 shekels of silver as a place for burying his wife Sarah (Genesis 23:14). Why did he do that? Because it was the scriptural way to care for the dead. Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob were all buried, as were the more than two million Israelites who died in the desert.

The Old Testament forbade the Jews from following the customs of their pagan neighbors, and specifically ordered them to bury dead bodies (Deut. 21:23). When Moses died, God buried him in Moab (Deut. 34:6). Since that is God's method, should it not be ours. The Jewish commentary on the Law (The Mishna) denounced cremation as "an idolatrous practice.'

The only case of a body being burned in Israel is recorded in Joshua 7:15. Aachan and his family were stoned to death, and their bodies were ordered to be burned because of their horrible sin of rebellion against a holy God. Burning a body was a demonstration of God's 'fierce anger' in Bible days (Joshua 7:26). Should our remains be disgraced in this same way?

Amos 2 records the unpardonable sin of Moab, which was the burning of the bones of Edom's king (v. 1). The result of that sin of cremation in the 8th century BC was a God-sent "fire upon Moab." Burning has always been a demonstration of God's wrath. It is therefore not a fitting practice at biblical funerals.



The New Testament

In New Testament times the only bodies that were burned were those of criminals. The place of cremation was the garbage dump in the Valley of Hinnon which was located just outside the walls of the Holy City. There. in ancient times, human sacrifices were offered (2 Chron. 33:6) and the continuous burning of rubbish illustrated for the Jewish people unending judgment upon the wicked.

Jesus used the word "Gehenna" as a picture of Hell. where 'the worm does not die and the fire is not quenched' (Mark 9:48). Burning was the symbol of shame and disgrace, hardly the proper imagery for a Christian funeral. Jesus said that the dead should be buried, not burned (Matt. 8:22).

Our Lord's own body was carefully placed in a tomb. He was "buried" the Scripture says. Our identification with Christ in His death is said to be a "burial' (Romans 6:4). Believer' baptism graphically pictures that spiritual relationship. Cremation therefore, is a violation and a distortion of that scriptural object lesson. It must not be done.

Every funeral in the New Testament included a burial, even for such persons as Annanias and Sapphira, and Judas! (Matt. 27:710). It is therefore a statement of gross ignorance for any Christian to say: "There is nothing in the Bible that forbids cremation."



The Origins of Cremation



According to the historical records, the idea of reducing a dead body to ashes originated in heathen lands. The Romans, who also invented a crucifixion kind of death, were among the first to practice this abhorrent custom. The Hindus in India have always burned their dead and then sprinkled the ashes on the Ganges River Since they believe in reincarnation they want to dispose of the body quickly so that the next incarnation can take place. Should Christians emulate the Hindus? Interestingly, Christians in India believe that cremation is as pagan as idol worship, and therefore always bury their dead.

Cremation came to America via the uncivilized and non Christian peoples of the Middle Ages. These same pagans bored out the eyes of Christians, tore out their tongues, burned them at the stake, and fed them to the lions.

The first crematorium in America was built in Washington, Pennsylvania in 1876 by some very ungodly and atheistic men. The Roman Catholic Church responded very quickly to the spreading of this evil practice by banning it in 1886. Long before that date however, Christian pastors spoke out against this practice and condemned this pagan way of disposing of a Christians body.

It is therefore a rather recent development in our country, and sadly, it has now been adopted by many Christians as just another way to get rid of a dead body. Some Christians respond to this revelation by saying: "We know that cremation doesn't cause anyone to by-pass the judgment as some believe, and therefore it doesn't matter how we dispose of a loved one's body.' Oh, yes it does!

For a person to request cremation for themselves or another person is to go against the Bible and all of sacred history. Burial is the only biblical method as we await the resurrection, and no amount of reasoning about burial space, the sanitation of this method, and the high costs of funerals can change that. The question of cremation is not debatable, for God has spoken the final word.

The Word of God is very clear on this subject, both by direct statements and spiritual examples. As Christians we are not permitted to do with our bodies as we please. Indeed, we are challenged to exalt Jesus Christ in our bodies, 'whether by life or by death.' (Phil. 2:20).



Cremation Conclusions

1. Cremation is of heathen origin and therefore is unscriptural and non-Christian. Any practice, regardless of its nature, that is contrary to God's Holy Word is to be shunned by all conscientious believers.

2. Cremation removes the healing process that takes place naturally through a Christian burial. Usually, the four pounds of charred remains are sprinkled, in Hindu fashion, on some streams of water, or scattered by airplane to the four winds. Some people divide the ashes among the relatives so that each may have a part of their loved one's remains. Others just leave the ashes with the mortician who will probably thrown them in the city dump. When this happens, there is no committal of the body to the ground, no sacred place where the body is buried, and no place of remembrance in future years.

There is something absolutely horrifying about the cremation process itself. The body is placed in a gas oven heated to 3,000 degrees where it is burned to a crisp, and reduced to ashes. Can you imagine yourself being responsible for the cremation of the body of your mother or father, or a mate or your child?

Understand, there is no loving concern as an unknown mortuary worker pushes the body into the flames and afterward crushes the remaining bones with a mallet before placing them in an urn. How different from a Christian burial. which is so beautifully illustrated by the burial of Jesus and others in the Bible.

Cremation dishonors the redeemed body of a Christian and is the cheapest, legal way to avoid a sacred responsibility. It is a barbaric act that is unscriptural and therefore unwarranted.



Based on the foregoing conclusions, I refuse to officiate at a funeral where the body is cremated. Believing this method to be non Christian, I have resolved to officiate only at Christian burials and you ought to insist upon the same, both for yourself and your loved ones.

"Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them.' Ephesians 5:11.