POTUS Impeachment Trials

[CrealCritter]

I don't see any path where the divisiveness is reduced. So many hearts are hardened.

That's the odd thing I don't understand and probably never will. Our Democratic Republic is supposed to be by the people, for the people. I think our government have stuck their noses in places they shouldn't have and separated the people.

I'm completely for the American First policies of the current administration, I believe given time and support those policies will go a long way to help heal the division of the American people. The division didn't just happen overnight and healing isn't going to be quick either, it will take time. But bipartisan policies should also help heal. Healing the division should be the #1 goal of this and future administions. It's a complex web of wrongs that need to be made right. All people are imperfect each and everyone of us has our faults. For us that are believers Thank God we have our Lord Jesus Christ on our side.

 

[NH Homesteader]

Agreed. He is not the only one by far! As they say, those who would be the best for the job are too smart to want it!

 

[baymule]

Evangelicals need to study their Bible. I say this as a Christian, not trying to stir up a fracas. Throughout the history of the Bible, yes, God uses devout men and women who loved and feared him. He also used people who didn’t fit the program. Our President has certainly had his sins exposed for all to see. He is a big mouth braggart and doesn’t know when to shut up. The very people busy drumming him out of office are no better, they are better at hiding it.

I voted for Trump and will again. I’m not a rabid supporter, I see his shortcomings and cringe at some of the things he says and does. I will not vote for these off the rails socialists who will promise anything to grab power. Woe to this country if we go down that path-straight into Ageda 2021 and 2030. You may not like Trump, but he beats the alternative.

I believe that at some point, and someday soon, socialism will overcome this great country, in my lifetime. And so we will fall, slowly, surely, our country will join the ranks of failed nations as China rises to be the #1 superpower. It is coming like a freight train. I say this, not out of fear as previously suggested, but from much study from many sources over many years.

 

[NH Homesteader]

I will also vote for him again. I agree with you. The issue I have is with those who are actively praising his character as if he was a lovely human being. However, he has done a lot of good things in the actual job he was elected to do. He's just crude and unprofessional... but like I said, I don't vote for the guy I want to hang out with, I vote for the one who will do what I think is right for our country. And he is constantly being accused of things that are certainly not true. I just would prefer a more stoic character like Mike Pence or Paul Ryan, lol.

 

[Lazy Gardener]

I have had good experience with cooperative chickening. With 2 different individuals. The first time, a neighbor and I ordered 25 CXR and 25 mini pearl leghorns. I raised the CXR, she raised the leghorns. We butchered the leghorns together, weighed and divided the meat. Then, I took half of the leghorns home. We split the cost.

The second time, I raised 25 CXR, the neighbor came to process with me, then, he took half of the meat home. We split the cost. Granted, I ended up doing most of the work, but I was young and eager at the time.

I think that when doing a joint venture, it's important to know who you are working with. Know their ethic, know their prior experience. I've also been burned by a co-worker who "wanted to learn how to raise a garden". I took my tools, seeds, plants to her house, We picked a spot, then, she suddenly became too "dumb" to do any of the work. "You'd better do it. I'm afraid I'll mess it up." I gave her a whole day. A few weeks later at work, she was laughing at how her daughter liked to pick the little green balls off the tomato plants and throw them. The following year, she had the nerve to ask me when I was going to come help her plant a garden.

This summer, hubby and I helped an other friend put in a garden. Again, a whole day's effort, including putting up a fence. But, there was reasonable reciprocation there. We had his Kubota to play with for about 6 weeks.

I do laugh when folks go into the scripted speech: "I'd love to have a garden. Your veggies are so wonderful. But, I just don't have the time." We all have the same number of hours in our day. I get it... there's work, family, cooking, home upkeep. But, where there's a will, there is a way. Even if it's something as simple as a planter garden.

 

[FarmerJamie]

This impeachment thing is one giant cluster. Is there corruption in the swamp. I believe definitely yes. Is this thing politically motivated, yes. Is Trump a saint, no. Some politicians were calling for impeachment before he took office.

IMHO, this is all "bread and circuses". The real corruption runs deep, this is a shallow distraction.

 

[NHMounttainman]

I try hard to avoid political discussions. But this forum has been so polite I thought I'd weigh in - as a variety of opinions has been presented and welcomed. I truly appreciate that! Sorry - but this is gonna be a long one for those that want to tune out right now!

I am a moderate, and an undeclared voter. In NH you can register for a party on the day of the election, and I have registered as both a republican and a democrat so I could vote in the first in the nation primaries. I then immediately re-register as undeclared (the first in the nation proimary means a crap ton of money is spent here on ads - and if you are registered you get non-stop mail for donations. SERIOUSLY - I counted that 30% of all TV ads here are for a presidential candidate. If I were to guess - I've probably voted 55% Rep/ 45%.

Before retirement, I was an economist. Business took me all over the world. One of the things few American's understand is that everything we do on TV is broadcast all over the world, whether our TV and movies with a misrepresentation of real American life, or our news media. And for the past 20 years, our once revered political system has become a laughingstock. From the Bush / Gore election where it took weeks for the most powerful nation on earth to count and for the supreme court to determine our president, we've lost prestige. The 9/11 attacks and Pres. Bush's short term leadership of that crisis brought us global remorse and goodwill. And us blowing the crap out of Afghanistan was accepted, while Iraq wasn't - we went from acceptable vengeance and self security to appearing to be nation builders. But understand - all of our political system plays out on almost every country's TV news every night. They see the debate and it's presented in a way to make us look small and petty. They loved Pres. Obama's election - bacuse they hated the Iraq war, and because they actually believe that America is a very racist country. If you were to ask educated japanese, Chinese, Indonesian, Singaporean, Australian (all Asia Pacific areas) - They think that America is close to 40% African American - and saw the fact that it took forever for an African American to be elected as a sin. But when they hear that only ~12-14%, it puts a different spin on how remarkable it was that an African American was elected! How many other countries have elected a leader from a 14% representation?

OK - now to present day. This impeachment crap is played out all over the world. Media reports of our elected Pres. are 85% negative. He's been called a fascist, a racist, a rapist, etc - which is headlines everywhere.

My take on this Pres. is that he may be an agent of change - good in the long term. I agree with many of his policies, and almost none of how he presents his plans. For example - when Richard Nixon met with China, leading to them opening their economy - China was practically a third world country. Since they really allowed foreign companies to invest in China - they've grown into the 2nd largest economy in the world on manufacturing low cost stuff for the west. And the debate on intellectual property rights are real - they required joint ventures with a western company and access to technology. WE, Rep and Dem, allowed them to have access to patents, research etc. Correcting those policies was essential - and I 100% agree. But he's done a really crappy job presenting it to the American public, and our news, broadcast all over the world, take his poor presentation, and make us look bad.

The same is true on immigration. No sizable country has an open immigration policy (there is between EU countries for the most part, but not for access to the EU.) But - most economists forecast that our present 330 million people needs to grow to close to 400M by 2050, and our birth rate won't get us there. So - we need immigration, but we also need a balance of unskilled and skilled labor. And - for social security to remain solvent beyond 2035, it needs more people paying in, or later retirement ages, or a combination. It's really about math - not a BS policy debate. But I sure wish he could sell some of those policies in a way that more could understand.

Trump is shaking things up, From my memory, I can't think of any president who has actually tried to do much of what he promised to do on the campaign trail. And he has been stymied, as are all presidents. But what so few people seem to remember is that the framers of our constitution wanted to make it hard to change. Freedom was built into the bill of rights, and amending the constitution is difficult. We aren't a democracy. We are a republic. The framers were some of the most brilliant and unselfish thinkers. We have the oldest continuous constitution on the planet.

Our forefathers brought forth upon this continent a new nation, and this impeachment was a waste of time. But the right to impeach was built in to our constitution, and it'll do exactly what they wanted - it's really, really hard to overturn an election, and the senate will acquit. But what our founders couldn't anticipate is modern media - and the damage that our global reputation that these types of political stunts play out as "a constitutional crisis," or the end of America. These political stunts embolden our enemies (i.e radicalism inside and outside our boarders) and strengthen our competitors (China and Europe).


Sorry for the ramble.... had to get that off my chest. Thanks for the therapy.

 

[CrealCritter]

It seems to me the country is nearing a tipping point (50/50 left/right)... and I'm afraid I don't see a positive result, no matter which way it ends (impeachment or no impeachment). Either way it's just going to deepen the wound, which makes healing longer/harder.

I personally believe the democrats should have just left the people decide at the polls come November. That's how we solve issues and invoke change in the USA. It's supposed to be a government by the people, for the people. But the horse was let out of the barn per say today, with the beginning of public hearings. So it's so late to turn back now. How this ends worries me deeply. How we got to this point worries me even more. If your inclined, please pray for our country. Our country needs lots of prayer right now.

 

[Lazy Gardener]

I do not watch TV so am only vaguely aware of what's going on: My opinion: Dems are out to crucify any one in office or running for office who has a lick of sense, moral character, and is not a socialist. While Trump occasionally speaks before thinking, he is a breath of fresh air after the Obama years.

 

[bambi]

I will be listening and I will be watching how the questions will be asked, I will be watching faces for tall tale signs of deceit. I do not allow Any news media and certainly not MSNBC, FOX, CNN... I will rather be informed by my own mind and knowledge. I did watch it without any commentator tell me what I heard and I feel this is the way it should be done and only then will I decide. I am so saddened that our brother's sisters, neighbors are so busy pointing our fingers at one another saying you are a Republican, you are a Deomocate when without each other we do not learn may I add we can learn from one another, brilliant minds out there Where is our respect for one another? Yes CC we should all be on our knees praying. I apologize if I insulted anyone, that is not my intent. Turn off the background noise and turn up your inward radar. Thank you for allowing me to post. Now I feel better LOL